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how much of the feri faith would you say is derived from the Yezedi's ?
Does any Yezedi influence still show in the feri practice today ?
Does any Yezedi influence still show in the feri practice today ?
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Re: yezedi's ?
Thu, March 2, 2006 - 10:11 AMIt's mostly the worship of the Peacock Angel, which is a deity we have in common. Google 'Melek Taus' for more information. -
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Re: yezedi's ?
Thu, March 2, 2006 - 11:57 AMSo in the Feri faith is the Peacock Angel just revered in his pure symbolic form ?
Is any of the Yezedi lore and history included when one practices or teaches ?
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Re: yezedi's ?
Thu, March 2, 2006 - 2:20 PMFrom my experience, the semantics are individual for just about EVERYTHING in Feri. Like Dominic said, the rest is just Drag.
But don't let the multicultural methodology of Feri trick you into believing that what we're doing is merely symbolic.
The Gods of Feri have, to date, been the least 'symbolic and archetypal' I've ever seen, regardless of how they may seem to be so. They're real beings, and they are LOUD!
Kind of like the lwa and the orisha of the Voudoun and Santeria traditions, only bigger...
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Thu, March 2, 2006 - 3:08 PMwell, the orisha are pretty big themselves... choose your words carefully ;-) -
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Thu, March 2, 2006 - 10:36 PMWell, they're certainly bigger than me!
But from what I understood, the concept in Santeria is that the Orisha are "little gods." Am I wrong about that?
'Cause I definitely could be; Santeria is not really my area of expertise. *grins* -
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Re: yezedi's ?
Fri, March 3, 2006 - 5:25 AM"Little" only by comparison to the creator. Not "little" in comparison to other gods or beings.
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 3:55 AMGrowing up in one of the most traditional countries in African Diaspora religions, I see that Orixás have different 'sizes' among themselves. Exu, who seems the be the favourite among afroFeris, is considered the 'smallest' while Oxalá, the All-Father who dresses only white and rules over the Sky, is the biggest and the last one to be called in a ritual, as He needs Exu to clear the way for Him to pass. -
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 4:36 AMSee, now THAT's all stuff I didn't know!
Thanks!
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 8:41 AMI don't look at them as bigger in anyway, just different.
Being and orisha practitioner for many years, I have had the opportunity to be around the Orisha on several levels. Some orisha shrines have seemed to be wide awake, while others seem to be dozing, but when they are awake, they feel really really big, Huge presences in the room, even dozing, they aren't small. Even the spirits tend to feel large, but that may very well be the amount of feeding that a particular spirit receives from their people.
The Lwa, whiile they feel different from the Orisha are still really big, and though at times Papa Ghede has seemed like a person, I would never dare to think of him as a little spirit. There is a side to him that is very cosmic, the side that receives all the knowledge of the race.
And while I have been initiated into Palo Monte, I haven't had a huge amount of experience with the Palo spirits yet, but still they are huge. Entering my godfather's spirit room, is like entering another demension, its bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.
This is to no way belittle the Gods of Feri. Not at all, they are just different. We don't feed them the same as the Afro diasporic Gods are fed. I often think that our gods are a little bit less on this plane, well till they arrive at a ceremony, then they are very real, and very present...
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 5:05 PMDominic, I have walked into a room where Sarabanda (Palo spirit, for those not familiar) is kept and the energy in the room is intense... I know what you mean!
I have also felt when the orisha Yemaya was angry (no, not at me!). The room (air-conditioned, mind you) became boiling hot.
I feel that the orisha are always present in different areas of life, but in ceremony they are focused and wide awake as you say. There is a greater depth and universal quality to the orishas as well. Each are a different facet of Olodumare (God, or the Great Mystery of the Universe), who I think would be akin to the Star Goddess in Feri. I hope that makes sense.
(when you say, "our gods are a bit less on this plane", do you mean the Fey?)
Badger
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Re: yezedi's ?
Sat, March 4, 2006 - 10:37 AMNormally when I say Our Gods, I am refering to the StarGoddess, the Peacock Lord, and what are refered to often as the limnescate deities, ie, the Triple Goddess, and the Triple God. Really though there are many more gods in Feri than are generally talked about. Since different lineages have different levels of secrecy that they have sworn to (ie the different teachers taught different things as being secret, some things not secret for me, are considered Oathbound for others) so we don't talk about them publically. The Gods of Feri seem to come from all over though, as Victor taught that the Feri folk were reasonably nomadic at first so they seemed to travel picking up things and dropping off others in various places. Partly because of this we don't always follow the lore of the place where a given deity may come from, ie we aren't generally very keen on the islamic/christian/jewish influences on the current Yezidi religion. More I think what it may come down to is that we share a god with them, but our lore on him is a bit different than theirs is. Victor claimed to have been visited by Yezidi at one point and they taught him, and I think gave him the cult of the Peacock Lord at that time. I am not really certain about it, but that is my theory about it.
I totally agree with you about the feel of the Palo Nkisi. The first time I visited my godfather for a reading he took me out to the Nganga room, had me sit right outside the room, (it was big enough to have the Ngangas, and him in it so clients sat right outside) I felt the spirits leap from the room, fly around me several times, then settle right in front of me, looking me directly in the eyes, then back up into the room so he could do the reading. It was really intense, but I never felt like they were trying to menace me, just checking me out.
I think I have only ever seen Oshun ticked off, but it was twice and the same Oshun as well. Once was at me, and it was nearly the end of my involvement with Santeria, but right afterwards I dreamed of my Godmother's Godfather whom I had never met in person, he passed away just as I was meeting her. He told me directly that I was going nowhere, that I was part of his family and it didn't matter what an Oshun from another branch (ramo) said, I was in his family and the Orisha love me here. And I have always been treated as sweetly and gently as can be by my godmother's Oshun. So I stayed. Padrino Arabi is an incredible priest, living or dead.
That has been my experience with them, well that and much more.... but that should probably be for another tribe...heh
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Re: yezedi's ?
Fri, March 3, 2006 - 12:24 PMneat links to people going to visit the Yezedi and Malak Ta'us, King or Angel of Peacocks
www.wildhunt.org/2006/02/p...-chas.html
www.michaeltotten.com/archive...064.html
www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/lo...n.htm/
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Let the beauty we love be what we do.
~ Rumi
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 5:15 PMDawn, those are amazing links! Great insight into the Yezidi people...
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Re: yezedi's ?
Tue, March 7, 2006 - 9:53 AMI thank all of you for yor reply's .
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